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RonsGirlFriday

Number of casualties in the first and second wizarding wars?

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RonsGirlFriday

Anyone ever given any thought to the numbers of wizards/witches and Muggles killed in the two wars -- either each war separately or both together? I found this StackExchange post (M, to be safe) from several years ago, that seems to have given the matter some thought and tried to estimate based on the little information we know from canon. They put it somewhere between 1.6K and 7.6K humans (which is quite a range!) over both wars. Does this seem reasonable?

I realize I can sit down and do a bit of estimating and math myself, but before I reinvent the wheel, I just wanted to put this out there in case anyone here has already analyzed this question and feels like sharing.

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Margaret

Seems high to me, especially when you approach the 7.6K. The number of people killed in the Irish War of Independence from 1919 to 1921 was apparently around 1,500. Ireland has about 1/12th the population of the UK and I really doubt one in every 12 people in the UK is a wizard, so to have a death rate 5 or 6 times that, even split between the two wars, strikes me as kinda high, especially given that not that many people seem to have lost relatives in it. 

Assuming there are about 50 kids in each year at Hogwarts and that wizards live to around 150, that gives the wizarding world a population of 7,500. I know Muggles were killed as well and that there is some doubt about how many kids are actually at Hogwarts, but even rounding up close to 1,000, the population of the wizarding world would then be about 20,000. If even 500 wizards were killed, you would likely be talking one person in every 25, which is a huge number and even to make 1,600, that leaves over 2/3s of the deaths those of Muggles.

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14 minutes ago, Margaret said:

The number of people killed in the Irish War of Independence from 1919 to 1921 was apparently around 1,500.

see, it doesn't seem that high to me because the recent(ish) war in my country had about 15k dead or missing on one side and about 7.5k dead or missing on the other side :kris: (the population is lower than the uk) and it only lasted 4 years, while the first wizarding war lasted for 11 years + the second wizarding war. (so i think it's also a matter of personal perspective)

but i have a theory that jkr fucked up the maths of hogwarts and my reasoning for the relatively small number of students in harry's year was due to lower birth rates at the height of the first war. so in reality the population number would've been higher and harry's year can't be used to determine it.

as for people not losing relatives - we don't know about the families of most hogwarts students, but ron lost two uncles.

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RonsGirlFriday

Yeah the person who wrote the post I linked to based their estimate on a quote by Sirius saying that news of more disappearances (basically presumed deaths) came "every week" during the first war, which would have lasted 500+ weeks. And they figured the number of Muggles killed was probably at least 5 times higher than the number of magical folk. Also, didn't Dumbledore mention that Voldemort killed enough people to create an army of Inferi during the first war, or did I hallucinate that?

On a related note, do we have any idea how many people actually fought at the Battle of Hogwarts? At one point, Voldemort announces to everyone that "half your number are dead" or something like that -- and he could obviously be exaggerating, but I haven't figured out how many people were actually participating in that battle. Order of the Phoenix, DA, other Hogwarts students, teachers, Hogsmeade villagers...maybe 200-250 humans fighting on the good side? I'm thinking at least 100 of those were students/Harry's peers. Actually, maybe not that many students. I was trying to think of numbers of active students at the time, but most were underage and were escorted from the castle. Colin Creevey obviously sneaked back in (*sob*, I don't wanna talk about it...) but I got the feeling that was more the exception than the rule. Maybe around 50-75 participants were students/recent students/Harry's peers? And maybe overall 200-ish people fighting on that side?

Also, this says nothing of the numbers of giants, goblins, elves, centaurs, etc, killed...

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Guest Noelle Zingarella

Harry Potter and the Cursed Child refers to the Fallen Fifty (M in case)+ at the Battle of Hogwarts, if that is useful.

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RonsGirlFriday
14 minutes ago, Noelle Zingarella said:

Harry Potter and the Cursed Child refers to the Fallen Fifty (M in case)+ at the Battle of Hogwarts, if that is useful.

That is helpful, that's a good line from DH that I hadn't remembered. And this article does point out that there were likely bodies that still hadn't been recovered in the castle or on the grounds, so somewhere between 50 and 100 (human) deaths at the Battle seems reasonable, making the number of participants fighting against Voldemort around 200 seem plausible.

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